Paper patched bullets for lever guns

The associations central purpose is to help shooters enjoy casting bullets. The flat nose was often used in lever action guns to avoid bullets in the tube from. It has been my experience, however, that most of the cussin has been from folks with little or no personal experience with ppbs. I have paper patched for my martini henrys but not the old mausers yet. Actually there are recorded instances of rifles with over 150,000 rds thru them with gg. Paper patched bullets were used in some early cartridges, though i dont fully understand why. There is one fellow who shoots yds with his black powser 45 cal rifle and puts them all in the the black. Harrison and the staff at the american rifleman worked with paperpatched bullets in the.

It has been my experience, however, that most of the cussin has been from folks. Give consideration to reloading if you plan on shooting it a lot. The flat nose was often used in lever action guns to avoid bullets in the tube from directly hitting the next bullets primer. This is a discussion on paper patching 4570 within the lever action forums, part of the gun forum category. Sport, sporting goods and toys industry lubricants lubrication and lubricants software patches. How can they prove the gun the bullet came from when all the major barrel makers use button rifling. They carry easy and shoot well and make a big boom that echos across the prairies. This for you old or ancient guys paper patched bullets. While any paper will do the next time you are near a stationary store stop in. Ive paper patched in singleshots and shotguns, but not lever rifles yet. After testing a series of bullet diameters in four different rifles, two sweet spots. Buffalo arms company sells over 12000 black powder cartridge rifles. In his march 1977 article paper patched bullets come of age, harrison provides a few rules for the shooter using a. Buffalo arms is closed on the following holidays so that our employees can spend time with their families.

Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet. Wrapping and sizing paper patched bullets for muzzleloaders. Paper patch bullets were used in the 1800s for target shooting and hunting and are still being used today. Lube bullets will work in those chambers of course, but there are a few customonly chamber designs that will not shoot, or even chamber, a groove diameter lubed bullet.

Paper patch supplies, paper patch templates, paper patch paper, lead bullets, paper patch bullets. I think i recall him writing that paper patched cartridges do not feed efficiently from tubular feed lever actions or conventional stagger box magazines, and, therefore, should be avoided. Ive shot chase patches in my muzzle loaders and my 4050 ballard. Some a bit better than others, but most factory chambered rifles can shoot paper patches quite well. Krag ammunition is getting harder to get all the time as is brass. Regular paper especially for patching can be gotten from buffalo arms co. Patching with teflon tape was reading an article about paper patched bullets when i stumbled on an article about useing teflon tape instead. After having an interest for a long time, i finally decided to make a very small investment and experiment with paper patched bullets. Never tried breech seating chase patches in the ballard because the throat is not tapered. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load. Much discussion and cussin have been laid at their doorstep. Reflecting on 30 years of paper patching for lever guns. Guns firearms fine vintage collectible single shot rifles custom rifles for sale bought sold livingston montana. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load data.

In addition to coming to this conclusion about prepatched bullet diameter, i also investigated the factors of bullet hardness, patch type and powder choice, hoping to further refine smokeless powder paperpatched loads. The sights are graduated for the 220 grain government loadind so they will shoot somewhat higher with the 180 grain commercial loadings. Pretty much any chamber will shoot paper patched bullets. So, i thought i would give a quick explanation on the concept and then show my process. Jul 10, 2008 regular paper especially for patching can be gotten from buffalo arms co. He also says for the paper he has trouble wrapping them as well, so he used the peel off labels from the stationary store.

Paper patched bullets a blast from the past sporting shooters. In lever guns, the patch should be just at or slightly touching the riflingif the patch tears when cyling through the action, willg et a wild shot and some leading. The bullets must be cast under size enough to allow for the paper, and a slight hollow in the base to pack the paper helps. Grease groove bullets have been the most accurate type so far. Paper patched bullets the curio and relic firearms forum. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paperpatched conical bullets. That cannot be done in a lever gun and i think a groove diameter bullet is the way to go, so another mould is. This interesting article features commercial paper patch bullets from mr.

Test loads note the waterproofed patches on bullets at left. When you have a clean rag and time to wipe your hands between shots they work fine. This is a compressed load, even using a 16 inch drop tube. Nei lee rcbs saeco and lyman ideal, are companies im familiar with to whatever degree. Followed by the same questions about how the paper survives in the barrel. Paper patch supplies, paper patch templates, paper patch paper, lead bullets, paper. This big 640 grain bullet is cast in a bhn9 alloy and patched to your choice of.

Packed for sale by c sharps arms on gunsamerica 997535005. Paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. Loaded properly, the paper patched bullet will feed and function just as well in a lever action rifle as in a single shot. Enter your name, address, and billing information for prompt shipment. Then there are sintered, frangible bullets that break up into a powder. Paper patches can be used to make slightly undersized bullets fit a gun with.

Paper patched bullets, swaged vs cast shiloh rifle forums. Oct 14, 2016 paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. I just ordered a perdesoli 1874 sharps snipe rifle. Working with lubricated bullets is messy in my experience. His delightfully informative book on the subject, the paper jacket, is perhaps the best resource for a reloader interested in utilizing paperpatched bullets with smokeless powder. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders. In fact i may be the only one in the world shooting paper patched bullets from a. Guns firearms fine vintage collectible single shot rifles custom rifles for sale bought sold. I feed paper patch bullets through tubular magazines in leveraction rifles chambered for the 307 and 356 winchester cartridges along with the. American rifleman modern bullets in levergun cartridges. I make my patches from 16lb green bar computer paper. However, i do load and shoot black powder bp charged paper patched bullets ppbs exclusively for my sharps falling block and remington rolling block replica bpcr rifles. The paper acts like a jacket and keeps the lead from smearing in the bore.

The gun used is a gamo varmint hunter hp 1,400fps spring. Is paper patching real for making bullets untraceable. My paper patch hunting and long range paper patch loads for reference only. If it slips in with a slight resistance, its the right size. Loading paper patched bullets paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles. Would be of interest to research this,not only would make it easier but teflon tape is verry slippery. North american muzzleloader hunting shares a couple of ways to patch lead bullets and the papers that works best. We describe another method to economically and simply custom fit the bullet to your rifle bore to make your military surplus rifle shoot accurately. We rely on a quality products, delivery and value for our customers. Here are the benefits of shooting paper patched bullets in your inline. Will likely work for other black powder rounds as well but im not sure. Here are the benefits of shooting paperpatched bullets in your inline.

If youre a diehard paperpatched bullet shooter, youre undoubtedly familiar with paul matthews. Please post what you find,it sounds interesting and would like to know how fast you can push them and of corse accuracy being the main consern also. Ive used 1885s, sharps, flintlock with round ball, and the ballard which has killed more than any of them. If you want more than one box, please check quantity above. I have a couple of 7184s and i use that same lyman mold to cast bullets for them but i lube them and only use bp. Lead bullet with paper patching that functions as lubrication and as a gas seal. The reason i ask is that i have always used onion skin paper for paper patching and was advised against using normal copy paper or cash register receipts. Want to shoot a 1898 krag rifle archive cmp forums. Most of the pistol bullets and select rifle bullets are made with our heat treated wheel weight htw alloy. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed bullets with either black powder. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paper patched conical bullets. But it is designed around seating the bullets very far out of the case in single shots. Or, print your order after entering your address, attach your check or money order, and send it by mail.

The cast bullet association is an organization of shooters who enjoy shooting cast lead bullets in rifles and handguns for competition, hunting, or informal target shooting. Del phillips who runs the single shot shop, 16240 st. You can easily shoot all of these bullets to 1500 fps without problem. May 17, 2016 myself, i prefer paper patched bullets for three reasons. I also did it about 15yrs ago with a 1895 that had the microgroove rifling. In single shot rifles, theyve worked best when the paper patch was set hard into the rifling.

This last pic is of a 100yd five shot group from a 224 cal rifle. Gunbroker is the largest seller of reloading supplies ammunition reloading all. Several years ago i read paul matthews the paper jacket. Now over the years ive been led to believe that paper patched bullets didnt function too well in the lever action repeating rifles because of the patchs vulnerability during its journey through the loading gate and feeding mechanism. My hunting loads using swaged paper patch bullets are as follows. New years day, memorial day, independence day, labor day, thanksgiving and the day after, christmas eve open until 12. Im aware that many molds are available to cast bullets for paperpatching. The first try was prompted by another posting here regarding steyr 8x56r carbines which turned out to have a groove diameter. I suspect because of the paperpatched bullets as much as poor cleaning regimes so jacketed bullets tend to shoot better and please lets not bring up the sillya you cant shoot jacketed bullets in old rifles myth. Theres not a whole lot of folks shooting paper patched bullets so its difficult to compare notes with someone else. Mar 29, 2012 within 2 wks i should have started on this. You can use any alloy you want for shooting paper patch bullets.

I prefer to use paper patched bullets simply because they are easier to handle. This is the 50 caliber 640 gn big brother to our 500 gn 45 cal paper patch bullets for lever action rifles also on auction. From what ive written about paper you can see its imperative to know the paper thickness before determining your bullet mould diam. Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles. In the mid1800s the worlds sportsmen and most armies used paper patched bullets and rifles of all calibres, right down to. An excerpt from the paper jacket by paul matthews, pp. Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load. Paper patching and forensic ballistics cast boolits.

The guy was right, you can size those paper patched bullets down. Cmp forums cmp sales cmp bolt action rifles want to shoot a 1898 krag rifle. Here i hope to ramble on hopefully coherently enough for folks to possibly gain something from my long experience with a particularly peculiar design of bullet designed to be paper patched and either by design or accident i am not sure perfectly suited to use in lever guns. Chase patches have been more accurate than wrapped paper patched bullets for me. A lot of people are curious about paper patching bullets. Would paper patching reduce leading in s rifled barrel. Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load data. I have a bullet mould that is adequate for a start. Ross seyfried used pages from guns and ammo to patch bullets for the pictures in his articles. Well this is my channel and these are my impressions about shooting old and repro blackpowder and cartridge guns. The other article is from guns magazine november 1988.